Thursday, 21 September 2017

Manju Jois - New Workshop video Q and A PLUS - what was Pattabhi Jois' contribution to Ashtanga?



Always nice to come across a video of Manju that I haven't seem before (this one from last year, posted By Natasha ) especially after recently reading Manju's new book.

Still no LOOK INSIDE on Amazon for Manju's new book so see perhaps my review

Yoga Therapy: Review Manju Jois' new book, Yoga Chikitsa



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The first fifteen minutes, Manju's led chanting of shanti mantras followed by Q and A.




Here's a quick rundown of the questions and Manju's answers, the questions and answers are paraphrased NOT quoted.

At 14.40 Manju was asked...

Q: How long to stay in one posture?

Manju: Ten breaths

Note: This ties in with Manju's first book where most of the postures have ten breaths indicated up until the longer stays through 'Finishing'.


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Q: How can we tell when, where to stop someone?

Manju: (Practitioners) Should always be working on something. If they are struggling with a posture then perhaps a posture from elsewhere in the series, even second series might help.

18:50
Q: What to do about injuries?

Manju: There are no injuries in yoga, just injuries from bad teachers. Everybody should know their limitations

Q: Do we have to complete one series before moving on to the next or can we combine series depending on students needs, ie therapy

A: Yes, you can mix...... eg. some people can do backbends without doing anything else

Note: This seems to be a focus of Manju's recent 'Yoga Therapy' themed workshop and new book, written in conjunction with a couple of his students - Manju has always seemed to suggest that his father, Pattabhi Jois, never intended us to get hung up at one posture in the series for too long, at Marichiyasana D say, but rather to continue on through the series (and indeed into the next). That doesn't mean we should stop working on Marichiyasana D however, it'll come....eventually. Manju suggests substituting an alternative twist, bhardvajrasana perhaps or ardha matsyendrasana both from the Intermediate series.


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23:30

Q: What do you think about meditation, sitting

An interesting section where Manju is asked about meditation, it's hard to hear his answers clearly and I hesitate to paraphrase but he seems to be suggesting that there are many approaches to meditation, that the practice of the asana can be a meditation just as sitting can. he seems to be suggesting that practicing daily affects, changes our mind over time....., just as sitting does.



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25:07

Q: Breathing, different lengths, breath holding?

Manju: You're not supposed to hold the breath, it's pranayama, not in asana.

Q: Some people are teaching this.

A: Some teachers make up things. It's what I learned, it makes logical sense, from Krishnamacharya, to Pattabhi Jois, don't change anything

Note: I take issue with Manju's answer here. While it's true that Manju's father Pattabhi Jois stressed, on a several occasions, that there should be NO breath holding (and of course he may have been indicating the tendency to accidentally hold our breath when struggling with a posture rather than an intentional kumbhaka while settled in an asana), it's equally true that Pattabhi Jois' teacher, Krishnamacharya indicated that it was an option to be encouraged (see Appendix 1 below). In Krishnamacharya's book Yoga Makaranda, written in Mysore in 1934 when Pattabhi Jois was his student, Krishnamacharya indicated Kumbhaka, holding the breath in or out, for almost every posture he described and gave clear instruction for.
A teacher who suggests, recommends or introduces kumbhaka in asana as an option in their teaching isn't 'inventing something' but rather, RECLAIMING possibly the most significant element of Krishnamacharya's approach to asana. Continuing on beyond the Intermediate asana without exploring kumbhaka certainly doesn't strike me as 'Advanced practice' whatever the later series may be called. Six series without kumbhaka is still, to my mind, a beginners practice


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Q: I know it's supposed to be 99% practice, 1% theory. What's your suggestion for that 1%?

Manju: No clear answer here

34:20

Q: Did the series come from Krishnamacharya, your father ( Pattabhi Jois), before?

Manju: Actually It was my father did the research, he put all the postures together, it wasn't in order.
The asana were there but the sequences were not there.


NOTE 1: Manju also seems to say here that his father didn't want to say it was fixed series but that you could do anything within that (sequence?) later they (students) became strict about the sequence.... and stopped smiling, became very serious. Practice is supposed to release the stress but ended up creating a lot of stress

NOTE 2. Manju and I have argued about this in the past. I even took out my ipad and showed him Krishnamacharya's 1941 table of asana from Yogasanagalu and how the order in which the postures are listed is almost exactly the same for the Primary group as in Pattabhi Jois' Primary series. Likewise that the Ashtanga Intermediate series closely resembled the asana, and in most cases the order, of the asana listed in krishnamacharya's middle group. Krishnamacharya's table even included the same vinyasa count for each asana. Manju wasn't having it and pointed out a couple of cases where there were differences in order. We agreed to disagree on this, Manju still cooked me dinner : )
I had thought that Pattabhi Jois introduced the surynamaskara practice, that this was something krishnamacharya left out but I've since learned from one of krishnamacharya's students interviewd for the new Mysore yoga Traditions movie, that Krishnamacharya included the sun salutations, indeed, everything else after that seemed to be optional. Krishnamacharya's groups of asana were flexible rather than the strict sequences presented by Pattabhi Jois.




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Note: I was recently asked by an Authorised Ashtanga teacher what I thought Pattabhi Jois' contribution to the (Ashtanga) practice was. 

We can see, in Krishnamacharya' Yoga Makaranda (Mysore 1934), the same instruction for the practice of asana that Pattabhi Jois passed along to us. We can see the same vinyasa, the same focus on the breath, bandhas and drishti that Pattabhi jois carried over to his own book Yoga Mala. later pattabhi jois switched to half vinyasa rather than full and introduced nine drishti rather than the two he presented in Yoga Mala and that Krishnamacharya outlined in Yoga Makaranda ( although krishnamacharya seemed to suggest in that text that there were other drishti).

We can see in the Krishnamacharya's table of asana from Yogasanagalu (Mysore 1941), three groups of asana, Primary, Middle and Proficient. Manju says that his father originally taught three series, Primary Middle and Advanced, the Advanced series later split into Advanced A and Advanced B as we can see in the 1973 Ashtanga syllabus given to Nancy Gilgoff and David Williams. Pattabhi Jois' Primary sequence closely follows Krishnamacharya Primary group. Most of the asana in the Ashtanga Intermediate series are the same as in Krishnamacharya's Middle groups but with some reordering. Pattabhi Jois' Advanced A and B are much more fully developed as sequences than the list of proficient asana Krishnamacharya provides in his third group although we can see the same asana Pattabhi Jois includes in the 1938 Mysore demonstration By Krishnamacharya and his student BKS Iyengar.

We find the same focus on breath, bandhas and Drishti in Krishnamacharya's teaching that we see in Pattabhi jois.

I had thought that it was Pattabhi Jois who had Introduced Surynamaskara A and B, although having taken them from elsewhere. I'd believed Krishnamacharya to have been dismissive of the contemporary surynamaskara fitness trend, however following a recent interview with one of his early Mysore students Krishnamacharya does seem to have taught suryanamaskara, in fact it was said to be the only constant, everything else being more flexible.



Pattabhi Jois' contribution then seems not so much to have been content as organisation.

Asked to Present a four year syllabus for the Sanskrit college Pattabhi Jois taught, after some minor tweaking of order, Krishnamachary's Primary and Middle groups as sequences rather than flexible and introduced two more sequences Advanced A and B based on Krishnamachary's approach advanced asana.

Pattabhi Jois passed along Krishnamacharya focus on vinyasa, breath, bandha and Drishti.


In the 80s Pattabhi Jois introduced half vinyasa rather than krishnamacharya's full Vinyasa.

Pattabhi Jois later taught nine drishti points rather than two

Pattabhi Jois left out Krishnamacharya kumbhaka instruction (found for almost every one of the asana Krishnamacharya gave instruction for in Yoga Makaranda), to my mind, omitting the soul of Krishnamacharya's teaching.

This simplification of Krishnamacharya teaching  (whether we consider this a good thing or not) along with his good humour, work ethic and generosity in sharing the practice are to my mind Pattabhi jois' contribution.


As well as asking the contribution Krishnamacharya's student Pattabhi Jois made to the practice we might also ask about the contribution Pattabhi Jois's students and student's students have made...., another post perhaps.


42.50
Q: What about feeling?

I was unclear as to Manju's answer here.

Pattabhi Jois certainly brought a generosity of spirit, an inclusiveness in his teaching. 



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My Manju Jois Resource



below

Appendix 1 - Krishnamacharya's employment of Kumbhaka, omitted by Pattabhi Jois
Appendix 2 - Side by side - 1973 Ashtanga Syllabus and Original 'Yogasanagalu Asana table 1941




Appendix 1

Krishnamacharya and Kumbhaka





















photos from
Available here for free http://grimmly2007.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/just-published-new-book.html

printed book available from Lulu.com
http://www.lulu.com/shop/anthony-grim-hall/krishnamacharyas-original-ashtanga-yoga/paperback/product-21545878.html
Based on the public domain translation from the Tamil.


"While practicing yoga with reverence, one can offer their essence to God during exhalation and during inhalation, imagine/suppose that God is entering your heart.  During kumbhaka, we can practice dharana and dhyana.  Such practices will improve mental concentration and strengthen silence/stillness.  Eliminates agitation and restlessness".  Krishnamacharya: Yogasanagalu (1941)

"While practicing yoga....


Here Krishnamacharya appears to be referring to yoga asana and that would tie in with his unique approach to asana as found in his book Yoga Makaranda (1934) written a couple of years earlier than Yogasanagalu (1941). In Yoga Makaranda he describes kumbhaka while in asana and not just padmasana but almost all asana that he describes.

"When practising asana, the breath that is inhaled into the body and the breath that is exhaled out must be kept equal. Moreover, practise the asana with their vinyasas by breathing only through the nose". p27

"Brahmana kriya means to take in the outside air through the nose, pull it inside, and hold it in firmly. This is called puraka kumbhaka.
Langhana kriya means to exhale the air that is inside the body out through he nose and to hold the breath firmly without allowing any air from outside into the body. This is called recaka kumbhaka".
p27-28

"In each section for each particular asana, we have included a description and an enumeration of its vinyasas. The vinyasas in which the head is raised are to be done with puraka kumbhaka and the ones in which the head is lowered must be done with recaka kumbhaka. Uthpluthi (raising the body from the floor with only the support of both hands on the floor is called uthpluthi) should be done on recaka kumbhaka for a fat person and on puraka kumbhaka for a thin person...." p28

2 Parsvottanasana
"...Standing in tadasana krama, draw in clean air through the nose and practise kumbhaka...." p59

11 Janusirsasana
"...This form follows the hatha yoga principles. Another form follows the raja yoga method. The practitioner should learn the difference. First, take either leg and extend it straight out in front. Keep the heel pressed firmly on the floor with the toes pointing upward. That is, the leg should not lean to either side. The base (back) of the knee should be pressed against the ground. Fold the other leg and place the heel against the genitals, with the area above the knee (the thigh) placed straight against the hip. That is, arrange the straight leg which has been extended in front and the folded leg so that together they form an “L”. Up to this point, there is no difference between the practice of the hatha yogi and the raja yogi.
For the hatha yoga practitioner, the heel of the bent leg should be pressed firmly between the rectum and the scrotum. Tightly clasp the extended foot with both hands, raise the head and do puraka kumbhaka. Remain in this position for some time and then, doing recaka, lower the head and place the face onto the knee of the outstretched leg. While doing this, do not pull the breath in. It may be exhaled. After this, raise the head and do puraka. Repeat this on the other side following the rules mentioned above.
The raja yogi should place the back of the sole of the folded leg between the scrotum and the genitals. Now practise following the other rules described above for the hatha yogis. There are 22 vinyasas for janusirsasana. Please note carefully that all parts of the outstretched leg and the folded leg should touch the floor. While holding the feet with the hands, pull and clasp the feet tightly. Keep the head or face or nose on top of the kneecap and remain in this sthiti from 5 minutes up to half an hour. If it is not possible to stay in recaka for that long, raise the head in between, dopuraka kumbhaka and then, doing recaka, place the head back down on the knee. While keeping the head lowered onto the knee, puraka kumbhaka should not be done..." p79-80



See this post for more examples from yoga makaranda 



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Appendix 2

Side by side

1973 Ashtanga Syllabus and Original 'Yogasanagalu Asana table 1941













Appendix 2 - Notes

"In fact, David and I had no idea that there were two separate series until the end of that first four-month trip, when we were leaving, at which point Guruji gave us a sheet of paper with a list of the postures, which were listed as Primary, Intermediate, Advanced A, and Advanced B. At this point he told us to practice one series a day, and only once a day".
 from Ashtanga Yoga as it was (The long and the short of it )  Nancy Gilgoff

many thanks to Anon for passing it along and especially to Nancy for giving permission to post it this morning and share with the community at large.

Available as pfd download from googledocs
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7JXC_g3qGlWRzZWOUltVnh3RFU



See my earlier blog post on Nancy's article
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/dear-nancy-yoga-as-it-was-nancy-gilgoff.html

also here
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/dear-nancy-breath-in-73.html

and here
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/dear-nancy-head-updown-jalandhara.html





Monday, 11 September 2017

Yoga Therapy: Review Manju Jois' new book, Yoga Chikitsa and Simon Borg- Olivier's/Bianca Machliss' Yogasynergy 12 wk Online Yoga Therapy course

Part 1. Review: Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois
80 pages

Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois
Amazon Link

from the publisher
The word yoga has three meanings; opportunity, prosperity and unification. Yoga is also the sacred knowledge of how to heal imbalances and eventually become one with ourselves.
When Manju taught yoga with his father Sri K. Pattabhi Jois in Mysore, India in the 1960’s, almost all of the students had some form of disease or illness. Often health care could not help the patient and they were asked to go to yoga as a last resort. They then used the yoga therapy and knowledge of how to heal imbalances through yoga to cure and relieve physical and mental ailments.
This knowledge has never before been taught to western students, so it is with great joy we now open a window into one of the most fundamental, but the least explored parts of Ashtanga yoga.


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The Book carries Manju Pattabhi Jois' name above the title of the book but I was unclear perhaps how much of the book was actually written by Manju himself. Inside, it says "Text by Manju Jois, Anna Bjärkvik and Camilla Silva", with graphic design by Johan Lundback. the Translation by Claudia Hamilton. Anna Bjärkvik is credited as the publisher. It seems to be more inspired by Manju's recent yoga therapy themed workshops and it is presented as a "complement to Manju Jois' courses and workshops.

Anna Bjärkvik has mentioned that "...the book was made entirely under Manju's supervision and that it was his idea to create this book. He arranged the photo shoot and the content of the book. (In page 22 you can see that he is the one arranging the photo shoot) It is his words as exact as possible in the instructions and benefit of each asana and the tales are recorded when Manju told them for us and then written down. So everything except the introduction is Manju's words or an attempt to write down his exact teachings without adding any of our (Me, Camilla & Johans) personal opinions on the practice of yoga. We are very honoured to be part of this project to help share Manju's deep wisdom that comes from a place of experience and heart"

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There's still no LOOK INSIDE feature on Amazon for Manju's Jois' new book (This is unfortunate as many will buy the book solely on the basis of Manju's name without any idea of the actual contents ). I was delighted to receive  a review copy of Yoga Chikitsa : Health and healing Techniques, last week.  

On reflection the book is probably a little wasted on me, it's not really for the regular or home practitioner perhaps but for a teacher, possibly one who has attended one of Manju's new Yoga Chikitsa workshops. I've attended Manju's TT twice (highly recommended) but not the new therapy workshop.

Table of contents


Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois
Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois


This is not a regular presentation of the Ashtanga Primary series but rather a collection of asana taken from Primary, Intermediate or Advanced, that Manju has supposedly chosen for their suggested healing benefits.


Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois


We might question some of the posture choices for a book of this kind as well as the benefits claimed. While hanumanasana might be fine on one of Manju's Yoga Chikitska workshops where he is in attendance, given the minimal instruction in the book, it could conceivably lead to injury, likewise Eka raja kapotasana, Vatayanasana and gomukhasana.

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Structure

The first line of each asana presented is on Therapeutic benefits, these tend to be the same or similar in each group of asana presented.

The purpose of the selection of standing postures (five postures with their variations) tends to be to "...balance the imbalances in the hips  or stretch out the spine".

The 'Therapeutic purpose' of the selection for stiff shoulders (four postures), "Revolving tension around the shoulders and shoulderblades, releasing the emotional blockages  that could settle there".

Those for knee problems (five postures), to "....ease pressure on the knee joint, to reduce discomfort and revitalise the knee".

Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois

The back problems selection (three postures), all "To improve and revitalise the spine" and "...to relieve trouble with scolirosis",

Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois



Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois

The hip problem selection (two postures) "Correcting imbalances in the hips and counteract arthritis".

A group of postures for respiratory problems or a stiff chest (five postures) then to be "To open the chest and airways" and "...also rejuvinates the spine".

We have asana for stomach problems  (two postures) to "Energise the internal organs and ease stomach problems".

And a final two postures in the  Increased Strength group to "Increase the firmness and strength of the body".

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Each asana has a couple of lines under Technique, minimal instruction on how to enter the posture. Those for knee problems suggest putting a rolled up towel behind the knee, those in the Stiff Shoulders selection offer a suggestion of where an assisting teacher might rub the students back or shoulders.

The Technique section is sometimes the same as the Assistance section, the rolled up towel suggestion, a back or shoulder rub but more often than not a suggestion on how to support the student as they enter the posture, or not spring out of a posture when preparing to exit.

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Photos throughout the book tend to be of one student assisting another, I counted only four photos of Manju, which was disappointing, in one of which he's assisting.

Note: To see Manju assisting each of the primary and intermediate asana see these excellent videos.



Manju always encourages chanting on his workshops. The chants include the Sanskrit, roman transliteration ( I would have liked this to have been larger or even in bold to stand out more) and a translation. It's unclear if the translation is by Manju himself, indeed, how involved Manju was in the actual writing of the text.
Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois


Finally there are also a four charming short stories with a 'moral' in italics at the end.


Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois



As mentioned, this book may be more suited to those teaching who can try out the assists and shoulder massages on their students, regular and home practitioners may prefer Manju's earlier Book on the Primary and intermediate series.

see my review of Manju's earlier book here
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2013/02/manju-jois-bundle-dvd-training-manual.html


It's nice to get an insight into the new style of workshop that Manju has started offering, how he is quite prepared to introduce some Intermediate and Advanced asana to students practicing the Primary series. 

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The price of the 80 page, text light, book is a concern perhaps, $30 on Amazon.com. 

The price may be partly due to the fact the book is self published and in colour. I'm able to reduce my own book by 50% to bring it virtually down to cost on Lulu but Amazon don't allow me to change the price


To put the price in context, Patabbhi Jois' father's own book Yoga Mala is $12.23 ( down from $18).

Gregor Maehle's Ashtanga: Practice and Philosophy, 320 detailed pages of instruction is  $23:84 ($15.96 on kindle), Kino MacGregor's likewise detailed 240page instruction manual, $16.26

John Scots Ashtanga Yoga  is $11.89 (down from $21).

David Swenson's essential Ashtanga manual, Hard covered, ring bound, 260 pages covering all of Primary and Intermediate with several variations for every posture and short form practice sheets only $21.00

Even Richard Freeman and Mary Taylor's new Art of the Vinyasa is selling for less. $15.46 for it7s 336 pages ( down from $24.95).

Manju's nephew Sharath's book is more expensive however, at $34 for it's text lite 91 pages.

Manju's earlier book covering Primary and Intermediate is however a little more expensive $34.00 from Ashtanga.com

See my review page for reviews of all of the above

REVIEWS

That said the book is perhaps worth the price for this photo alone.

Yoga Chikitsa : Healing Techniques and assistance -Manju Jois


See my review of Manju's earlier book, DVD and CD here


And perhaps my recent post...



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Paert 2. REVIEW: Simon Borg-Olivier and Bianca Machliss' Yoga Synergy 12 week online Yoga Therapy Course 'Therapeutic applications of movement and breathing: yoga therapy'. 



https://yogasynergy.com/online-courses/yoga-therapy-therapeutic-applications-posture-movement-breathing/

Note: for those Ashtangi's coming to the post for the review of Manju's book, you might be interested to hear that Simon has online Ashtanga course coming soon.

This is more of an introduction than a review as I've only just begun Simon and Binaca's new Yoga Therapy course, more reviews to come as I progress through the course.

If the excellent, and highly recommended, 120 hour YogaSynergy Fundamentals course is more like an online university short course, with it's wealth of materials, Anatomy and Physiology text book, Powerpoint slide books, video lectures and practice videos for each module as well as a chat rooms and access to faculty, the new YogaSynergy Online Yoga Therapy course feels more like an extended workshop.




I loved the Yoga Fundamentals course, I keep going back to the material, the videos as well as hunting through the powerpoints and course notes but the course does take a degree of commitment that many might not be able to offer or maintain. The Yoga Therapy course is perhaps more accessible while perhaps covering much of the same material, in an applied environment.

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About the course
Over 12 weeks of Video Lectures, you will learn to make the yoga you teach safer and more effective.

Many people practice exercises way beyond their understanding and physical capability, which is why it is so easy to get injured.

If you’re a yoga teacher and would like to deal with your students’ ailments and conditions safely and effectively, first you have to understand the anatomy and physiology of your own body.


Once you have understood how to manage your own ailments and injuries, it’s then much easier to start giving advice to other people.

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The course includes course notes, a resources page, a forum and all the Powerpoint slides that Simon Borg-Olivier refers to throughout the lectures but mostly the course consists of videos, lots of videos.



Each week seems to be made up of between five and ten videos of between ten minutes to half an hour in length, some may even be longer.

So far I'm still on the first week but the format is excellent.

The first twelve of fifty general principles


We have Simon Borg-Olivier, and in later weeks I imagine, also Bianca Machliss, working with an audience, introducing an area of therapy in manageable chunks and then applying those techniques to member of the audience, theory and practice.

from the powerpoint file

Simon stresses we are our own first and most important perhaps client, that we can and no doubt should explore these techniques on our own bodies.



I like that Simon doesn't jump straight into too much anatomy in the first week, as much as we need for the therapy suggestions he is offering. Week three though, seems to go into more detail.



I was constantly getting up to try stuff out, standing in frount of the mirror to see how balanced my body was (it wasn't, isn't), walking back and forth in frount of a mirror or window to check my gait.




Most of all I trust Simon, I've met him, seen how he checks an article that I pass to him, checking first the bibliography and the research quoted. I know his background, how he was first introduced to pranayama by his father, a freediver, as a child. How after many years of yoga practice with the likes of BKS Iyengar, Shandor Remete, Pattabhi Jois and others he, along with Bianca, went back to University to study for a Bachelor of Applied Science in Physiotherapy. Not satisfied with the tradition passed along to them they went back to school so as to be able to check the ground of the teaching they received.





I wish I had the commitment to go back and do a degree in Anatomy and physiology, perhaps then I would consider actually teaching. Simon and Bianca's course is a start at least.



With many yoga teachers, however experienced they may be working with bodies, I wonder at times if they have ever opened an anatomy book in their lives or whether they are just passing along the 'wisdom' of others, subject to 'Chinese whispers', as are many of the old texts quoted. Simon has a Bachelor of Science in human biology, a research based Master of Science in molecular biology (Bianca has a Bachelor of Science (Microbiology & Psychology) as well as his and Binaca's Bachelor of Applied Science in Physiotherapy. Simon knows how the body works on a molecular level, which interests me immensely when we talk of pranayama, as well as it's anatomy and physiology alongside several decades of practice and teaching.

Below and outline of the course - look out for future blog posts reviewing future weeks as I move on to them.














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A Reminder

from Kalama sutra, translation from the Pali by Bhikkhu Bodhi This blog included.

"So, as I said, Kalamas: 'Don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, "This contemplative is our teacher." When you know for yourselves that, "These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering" — then you should abandon them.' Thus was it said. And in reference to this was it said.

"Now, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them. Buddha - Kalama Sutta
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